Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has indicated that Europeans
are being disingenuous when they deny knowledge of the rendition of
terror suspects.
Colin Powell dismissed the furore in Europe
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Mr Powell said the recently highlighted practice of
moving people to places where they are not covered by US law was
neither "new or unknown" to Europe.
A number of countries where flights allegedly stopped have said they were unaware of their land being used.
Talking to the BBC, Mr Powell also described his difficulties over Iraq.
In an interview with Sir David Frost for the BBC World
TV channel, he described his disappointment with the failings of US
intelligence on Iraq, and his arguments with Defence Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld over the campaign.
'Like Casablanca'
He was speaking after his successor, Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice, faced tough questioning about the use of rendition
during a recent trip to Europe.
She admitted that terror suspects were flown abroad for
interrogation, but said this was "a lawful weapon", and denied the
prisoners were tortured.
She refused to address claims that the CIA runs secret
prisons abroad where suspects are interrogated without reference to
international law.
But Gen Powell was dismissive of the furore in Europe.
"There's a little bit of the movie Casablanca in this,
where, you know, the inspector says 'I'm shocked, shocked that this
kind of thing takes place'.
"Well, most of our European friends cannot be shocked
that this kind of thing takes place... The fact that we have, over the
years, had procedures in place that would deal with people who are
responsible for terrorist activities, or suspected of terrorist
activities, and so the thing that is called rendition is not something
that is new or unknown to my European friends."
Impression of unilateralism
He accepted that Washington's moral authority was under pressure at the moment.
"The United States is going through a period right now where public opinion world-wide is against us.
The state department's plans for post-war Iraq were discarded
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"I think that's a function of some of the policies we
have followed in recent years with respect to Iraq and in not solving
the Middle East's problem and perhaps the way in which we have
communicated our views to the rest of the world, we have created an
impression that we are unilateralist, we don't care what the rest of
the world thinks.
"I don't think it's a fair impression"
Questioned on the evidence held up by the US as proof
that Iraq had a weapons of mass destruction programme, he said: "I was
deeply disappointed in what the intelligence community had presented to
me and to the rest of us, and what really upset me more than anything
else was that there were people in the intelligence community that had
doubts about some of this sourcing, but those doubts never surfaced up
to us."
'Not pleasant'
He also referred to his relationship with Defence
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice-President Dick Cheney - often
depicted as icy.
"Secretary Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney and I
occasionally would have strong differing views on matters. And when
that was the case we argued them out, we fought them out, in
bureaucratic ways," he said.
"Often maybe Mr Rumsfeld and Vice-President Cheney would
take decisions into the president that the rest of us weren't aware of.
That did happen, on a number of occasions."
Asked about post-war planning for Iraq, Gen Powell said
his state department staff drew up detailed plans, but they were
discarded by Mr Rumsfeld's defence department, which was backed by the
White House.
"Mr Rumsfeld and I had some serious discussions, of a
not pleasant kind, about the use of individuals who could bring
expertise to the issue. And it ultimately went into the White House,
and the rest is well known."
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